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Mark Zuckerberg on middle managers

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For reference, Zuck is describing his exact leadership structure from M1 (manager of ~10 ICs) to M2 (manager of multiple M1s/L7+ ICs, scope: ~30+), to D1 (manager of multiple M2s/L8+ ICs, scope: ~75)
 
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Interesting how these folks suddenly woke up to the idea that smaller teams run better. The end of infinite money was sobering. Middle managers will absolutely need to become coaches who create clarity and develop competence in others. They shouldn't even be called managers.
 
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I agree with Mark. It鈥檚 common in large organizations to have these types of structures because you get rewarded for it and because often this is the only way for ambitious folks to get promoted. Organizations need to change how they think about promotions and rewards.
 
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Yeah it鈥檚 called 鈥渆mpire building鈥 and yep you don鈥檛 want it anywhere near your org. Much much easier to stop it at source than retrospectively pulling it out.
 
It鈥檚 a wake up call for leaders to start building a 鈥渓ean and mean鈥 & resilient organization. Don鈥檛 hire managers whose agenda to build their own kingdom.
 
This is the most compelling thing I've seen coming out of Facebook for a while!
 
 
 
One of the things I really hated about working in a company was middle management who were responsible for "measuring my performance" even though they have no clue how to do what I do
 
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Yep. Too bad he missed the matrix management class. Cross functional teams with strong team leaders and a department management structure whose role is to staff teams and keep up the technical discipline expertise in the company.
 
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Ironically, he's one of those managers too :)
 
 
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I鈥檓 at the director level and I manage managers than manage team and then I also manage a team because I also have to be an IC鈥. Lean organizations keep you sharp
 
Que lindo seria un mundo sin tantos mandos medios
 
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in most cases, middle managers are redundant imo
 
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"But everything can be solved by adding an extra layer of indirection." 馃槶馃槀
 
The end of the totem manager.
 
Y lo dice a modo de reproche el propio arquitecto del sistema, el responsable de que haya ocurrido 馃槀馃槀馃槀
 
 
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H茅 is not wrong tbh
 
 
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= if Elon can do it so can I
 
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That would be his fault if that is the case. He is the CEO
 
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Too many chiefs not enough indians
 
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As told by Jobs long, long, long ago
 
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My guide to antifragility touches on this exact point. If you鈥檙e a middle manager, you鈥檙e more fragile than you might think. Check it and other practical tips here: treyhoehner.gumroad.com/l/antifragile-鈥
 
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Sounds like an accurate description of the majority of large American enterprises
 
very tech brain.... like ok but what is the alternative org structure for a multi billion dollar company with 100k ICs
 
 
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Yeah Facebook has a manager problem. I think they're afraid for their jobs, so they hire a manager under them who will get fired before them.
 
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Couldn鈥檛 agree more! My thoughts for years. However, Some ICs r not able to contribute. Some mgrs secretly did their work. Open the flood gates on competence or lack thereof. Bring back personal initiative, task ownership, productivity, aligned outcomes.
 
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But what about someone to manage all of those mentioned managers? Surely that counts, no?
 
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And this is why he's one of the richest people in the world, and most of other entrepreneurs fail miserably.
 
 
Canadian healthcare summarised. Big governance doesn't work and the era of over administration needs to end.
 
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If a team is large is this not natural bound to happen? or what am I missing?
 
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isn't this a very old comment? i remember seeing this like a few years ago lol. you're an interaction clown.
 
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Because wen something goes wrong someone has to take the fall
 
the funny thing is most of the folks became SDEs because they were not interested in inter-personal interactions and nerding on computational devices, networks and bits and pieces. However, entire SW industry tasks span around solving organizational challenges.
 
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This feels like an advice from Zuck to Microsoft.
 
He's right. But the whole concept of career ladders is so screwed up at most tech companies that managing people (and managing more people) is the easiest way to get promoted.
 
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This is the problem of most of MNCs.
 
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like it's so annoying
just managers everywhere, no one is actually doing the work
 
Middle managers is really a real problem in Tech companies. My last job I had 3-4 managers come up to me giving me the same order鈥 most of those dudes were laid off later on since they were so useless.
 
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NO business functional organizationl should have more than 3 layers.
 
bureaucracies are everywhere and they have the same problems everywhere
 
Hahhaha....
That's the reality now.

The one on the bottom of the chain always get blamed.
 
 
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Mangers are mostly a sign that the business is waiting time on nonessential activities or trying to fill the employees off 20 minutes of free time with BS
 
 
These moderators were really harmed by their duty to observe users in high risk, abusive homes during the pandemic and their being asked not to intervene. They deserve alot more than a few thousand dollars for their mental anguish.
 
 
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We realized this quite a while ago. Nothing new here.
 
The Elon Musk effect.

More layoffs are coming.
 
 
Una carta abierta de Mark Zuckerberg en donde da a entender que los despidos tienen sentido para aplanar un poco la estructura de la organizacion
 
Let's keep all the people who make and those who have money in hell together. All the others you can go. And have universal income
 
Lean pyramid is the scheme that does it 馃槃馃憣馃従
 
This is gonna wake up the woke. The feather bedding is unbelievable. Makes cost higher and productivity lower.
 
 
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