Education Minister Stephen Lecce couldn't answer the host who asked for evidence that e-learning is good for students. Instead, Lecce spins, uses a bunch of big words that mean nothing, avoids the question entirely, and then gets frustrated when confronted over it. #onpoli #onted

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Does everyone know what online learning is like in the business world? They're corporate modules that hold your hand so that the corporation can reach compliance with regulators and also pin failures on you since you were "trained".
 
She asks about collective learning and he responds with a reference to the job market. She asks for evidence and he responds by citing interest. I wonder if he feels embarrassed listening to all the fumbles in this interview.
 
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The fact he thinks 鈥渢echnology in the class鈥 constitutes elearning shows just how little he understands about education in the classroom. If they like technology then stop cutting all tech supports in schools and replacing teacher and student computers with inferior chromebooks.
 
Wow. This interview tells one everything one needs to know about this guy. is epic - he can鈥檛 even be bothered to prepare a bs response. #cutshurtkids #onpoli
 
Minister @Sflecce trying VERY hard to not answer a direct question about e-learning.

THIS is the great communicator? The PR whiz kid? BIG yikes.
 
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Listening to this guy torture language is painful- tho watching him torture the education system is far worse. He clearly has no interest in doing his job. @fordnation ministers are a lazy lot of lay abouts. #ReplaceLecceWithALaptop
 
 
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It鈥檚 like he doesn鈥檛 think computers exist in school. Many classes use eLearning as a tool to supplement classroom learning. @Sflecce is out of touch. These skills are already happening. The 17% increase is due to cancelled classes. These are not by choice.
 
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was the interviewer. She did an awesome job of not falling for @sflecce鈥檚 spin. #WhoNeedsEvidence?
 
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He seemed to be saying Ontario has to go to on line learning so employers can fill their employment needs. It is all about finding and abusing cheap student labour. Is he planning to lower the work age to 14??
 
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He is also very Trumpian in his interview style- lots of word salad, deflection and time burning. The interviewer did a good job but this type of interview needs to managed by asking lots of questions and moving on very quickly when the espousing begins.
 
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Let鈥檚 also be clear that the 17% increase does not necessarily mean a 鈥渃hoice鈥. Mandatory online courses in post-secondary is a FORCED 鈥渃hoice鈥. And unemployment rates aren鈥檛 the result of a lack of online learning ! Give your head a shake @Sflecce.
 
he didnt answer the question. provided no clarity. what business wants has no bearing on how students learn most effectively. he's talking about post secondary apprenticeships. let students make that choice later. 'organic uptake' - what b.s.
 
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What does "students organically uptaking it" mean? Sounds like we are all organically uptaking his nonsense.
 
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That's straight out of the Scheer playbook. What is it with these conservatives that they believe they can do anything they want without the research to back it up? Looks particularly bad on the minister of education. #ResignLecce
 
 
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I believe that some students may benefit from having some e-learning choices in addition to classroom instruction. That does not mean that it is good for all students. Ford wants e-learning to replace teachers and reduce funding. He should have worked with teachers and experts.
 
 
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Lecce hasn't a clue what his job is much less what he's talking about......good lord I'd better and am not even close to being educated enough.
 
 
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Here鈥檚 actual footage from that interview. pic.twitter.com/xovOOT2aEW
 
Minister @Sflecce can鈥檛 answer the question about pedagogy supporting online learning as superior because there isn鈥檛 any.
#cutshurtkids #onpoli #onted
 
Kudos to this journalist for calling @Sflecce out for refusing to answer the basic ?, "how is ELearning better for kids?" The fact is, it isn't and he continues to look foolish. @fordnation you do not have public support, we don't want larger classes and ELearning! #CutsHurtKids
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
More evidence of an uneducated education minister. Do your homework or don鈥檛 take the test. He is failing because he is undisciplined, does not study facts, is poor at problem solving, and is trying to do his job without doing the hard work. Things you learn how to do in school
 
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Wow! His answer is a fail.... Maybe a level 1. just because he 鈥渢ried鈥 but there is no way that鈥檚 a standard grade level answer... he beyond frustrating. worse than Broten. Worse than Sandals. Ughhhh how much more does Ontario need to take? Why isn鈥檛 anyone looking into Kyle!!!
 
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Here's the link to that interview. Perhaps @MrLeslieRoberts would like to have a look at how a reporter can hold a politician's feet to the fire instead of giving him a platform for spreading false information. google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j鈥
 
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What about those kids who can鈥檛 afford a computer for home or the internet for that matter!!!! What about those kids who have IEPs and can not be in front of a computer because of their needs? #frustratedparent
 
The famous non answer gang strikes again.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
All that @Sflecce can do is to keep telling Porkies all day long. He is NOT suited to be a MPP in the Ontario Legislature and he needs to resign immediately. He is an absolute embarrassment to the PC party and the people of Ontario.
 
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Stephen Lecce, Minister in charge of privatization of education! Working to dumb down the population of Ontario...while he鈥檚 at it maybe he can bring hazing back too!!!
 
Reality - it鈥檚 strictly about cutting costs by eliminating teachers. No justification for making it mandartory. None! Yet, they may have already signed a contract with a private company. Anyone ask him about that yet? #onpoli #onted
 
He could have said e-learning is cheaper and we (conservatives) don鈥檛 care if it is an effective way to learn. Plus we (conservatives) really like firing teachers because they don鈥檛 vote conservative.
 
Hey @Billy__Pang, I hope you鈥檙e rethinking your anti-education stance. This is a mess and voters will hold you and your friends responsible. (You too @LoganKanapathi)
 
This is the norm for conservative politicians nowadays.
 
Still proud of this performance @fordnation? It鈥檚 horrific that he can鈥檛 answer basic questions about the rationale behind decisions! It鈥檚 why your government is losing support. A leaderless party is being preferred! 馃憡馃徎
 
Kinda fun to watch really. Squirming like a six year old when caught in a lie.
 
It's just so clear: @Sflecce believes that the function of education is to fill the needs of employers. This is such a fundamental difference from my own philosophy and truly explains his perspective on our demands. He just doesn't get it. #cutshurtkids #NoCutsToEducation
 
Minister @Sflecce isn鈥檛 accustomed to a reporter having the temerity to question his false talking points.

The minister clearly gets flustered when he鈥檚 forced to explain lack of reasoning behind policy.

Great job!@RobynBresnahan
#CutsHurtKids #ETFOstrong
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
this is exactly why online learning should be optional, not mandatory. See twitter.com/JulieMDPanneto鈥
 
There. Is. No. Evidence. @Sflecce. Besides failing to provide proper academic support, online learning also fails to provide the social and emotional benefits youth need developmentally to achieve key milestones on the way to successful adulthood. Teachers provide that support.
 
Infuriating. Ontario (and Canada as a whole) is filled with passionate students who are eager to be in classrooms and surpass the "status quo" WITH their educators and peers. Lecce doesn't know what he's talking about #onpoli
 
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
This is how reporters need to deal with politicians. Keep asking them
 
The word salad party. Lecce. 馃嚚馃嚘
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
knows big words? Who would have thought, does he know what they mean? He and @fordnation @OntarioPCParty have never had any intention of bargaining in good faith.
 
 
 
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Luckily our world-class education system has produced citizens who are smart enough to see through the shallow talking points and cynical payoffs to parents.
 
 
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What an arrogant know nothing. If my son was still in school, I sure as hell want to see the studies it was effective, not just about who wants it. He is full of poop. People need to keep challenging this ineffective minister. Our children鈥檚 future is at stake. @Sflecce
 
Anyone with an interest in education in Ontario needs to listen to this word salad from Lecce.

Put simply, the Minister of Education clearly cannot provide pedagogical evidence that e-learning is better for students than classroom learning. #onted #onpoli
 
E-learning is vastly inferior to in-class teachers. So why would @fordnation be so insistent on putting money in the pockets of privatized education?

Three words: boil a frog.

Follow the money.
 
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
Ford refuses to negotiate, offers daycare for the hope of public support, and Lecce is his yes man.
 
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This truly is insanity. The education 鈥榤inister鈥 has organically demonstrated no knowledge of pedagogy or child development, has not provided any evidence to support elearning, & in that regard, has a limited number understanding of what elearning is. #onted #onpoli
 
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Has no evidence that e-learning is effective. Education is a contact sport
 
CONservatives are wrecking our children's education and future generations.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
He鈥檚 in over his head. No 33 year old shld be a Minister. Or at least until they prove they鈥檝e accumulated some wisdom.
 
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I work in Training and Learning and have for ten years; e-learning has grown, but it is consistently rated by employees as being a poor learning method that does not support long term retention, problem solving, critical thinking or real-world application.
 
Scratch the surface of @Sflecce and there is nothing but fluff. No substance... no honest answers. Who would hire this guy. 鈥淎ll crust, no pizza鈥
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
It鈥檚 true he鈥檚 answering in 鈥榳ord salad鈥 speech that sort of mirrors Trump type speak. Words trigger him - 鈥榚vidence鈥 evokes defensiveness. It鈥檚 like a syndrome.
 
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"Organically Uptaking" is much better for you than other forms of uptaking. I'm trying to watch how I "uptake" things these days.
 
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Again with the claim of 鈥渏ob creators鈥.
 
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Plenty of teachers use forms of blended learning - both online platforms and classroom activities are used to create a rich, engaging, and relevant learning environment. We are NOT ignoring the realities of post-secondary or the job market. @Sflecce is out the one out of touch!
 
A lot of political spin and canned rhetoric here from @Sflecce, but still no actual evidence to support the government's position on e-learning.

When will this government have a fact and evidence based discussion on the issues at stake?

#onpoli #NoCutsToEducation
 
This is the minister of education doing the Edubabble Doublethink Dance. 18 minutes of repeatedly failing to answer a simple question. Good on the reporter for persisting. FYI - @Sflecce can't provide research to back up this elearning plan because THE EVIDENCE DOESN'T EXIST!
 
So... is this guy suggesting that -young people- are struggling learning to function online? My daughter mastered YouTube at 18mo.
Minister Lecce, the kids don鈥檛 need any help navigating tech: they are digital natives. This is just insulting.
 
elearning is perfect when I鈥檓 already familiar with the material - I can blast through it. But the complex stuff or really new content? I need to be in a classroom. Elearning is a great and smart OPTION. And sure, expand it. But it鈥檚 not for everyone. #NoCutsToEducation #onted
 
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
#Lecce is a product of private education. He cares nothing for #Ontario public education. He鈥檚 happy to dismantle it. @fordnation is heinous.
 
Minister @Sflecce ...to be clear.... you still didn鈥檛 cite one empirical piece of data that supports your position. 馃し馃徏鈥嶁檧锔
 
He is definitely not a winner.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
This fucking guy 馃檮馃槨馃槨馃槨
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
I bristled over industry demands on line training fluency. Business leaders know people have different learning styles. For important core ideas, you accommodate all styles F2F. A 鈥渢ick the insurance box鈥 course like ladder safety was on line. Why else spend $$ on F2F meetings?
 
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
The plan is to stunt critical thinking skills in our youth so they'll buy the BS they're offering up as fact. Then slowly reduce the teaching workforce until there's no need for schools and then sell off properties to big developers. If you want quality education, you can pay.
 
 
One needs a lot of discipline and passion for learning to go the e-learning route. Not sure this path is the right one for many students at that age.
 
Translation: Ont. minister of education @Sflecce isn鈥檛 interested in educating teenagers, simply making them more employable for a very specific market.
Is this the market most of his donors are in?
What about the students who don鈥檛 want to work in those markets?
 
School isn鈥檛 about preparing youth for the job market, it鈥檚 about education, pedagocially that is not the same. It鈥檚 about helping them learn to be social beings, to find interests, to develop skills (social, intellectual and tactile). Not a lengthy apprenticeship.
 
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. My 11 niece can edit a video, search effectively. She doesn't need elearning through hich school to get a job.
 
He suggests online courses are necessary to develop "technological fluency" like our classrooms are pencil and paper and chalkboard. Regular use of technology is woven into classroom settings already. He'd know that if he talked to teachers or visited classrooms.
 
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#StephenLecce is a #Minister of #Education who doesn鈥檛 care about student鈥檚 education. #StephenLecce is an inexperienced incompetent lying馃ぅ#Conservative #Minister of #Propaganda. #Ontario #onpoli #Toronto #TOpoli #ETFO #OSSTF pic.twitter.com/uIwWesy4iO
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
The Conservative playbook is to denigrate and destroy public education from both ends. It's the authoritarians playbook, dating throughout history, but the business class solidified the effort 45 years ago (see Powell Memo). Lecce is just one of a myriad of grifters who gaslight.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
The majority of Ontario does not support what @Sflecce is doing to the education system.He has no evidence to prove that ANY of the changes he鈥檚 making are good for students.What will it take for him to realize that he either needs to 1.Reverse the cuts OR 2.Resign #cutshurtkids
 
His favourite word was uptake....so.many.times.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
It's the Conservative way.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
My 'organic uptake' 馃檮 from that interview is that #onted needs a champion who can effectively diffuse and push back on Lecce's talking points, it was obvious how hard the host tried to get a straight answer out of the guy when discussing the effectiveness of e-learning
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
Lecce insinuated that technology/e-learning would solve the "precarious" work problem faced by today's youth while ironically, it's technology that has changed the job market by increasing "flexibility" at the cost of long-term work stability.
 
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
I cannot believe that people like Ford and Lecce are in charge of so much of what's important to the Ontario public...further, I can't believe that people actually voted them in!
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
Thank you Robin. We teach our students to answer the question with evidence from the text. With your question, the minister should respond with 鈥 Studies show......
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
Lecce is failing like Ford.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
A sentiment does not make a better learning environment study @Sflecce and @fordnation are killing our province...
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
I would respect them so much more if they were at least honest about it. We want to save money, lower taxes. The finding merit where no merit exists, other than monetarily, drives me crazy. Larger class rooms, mandatory = bad for students. Quite simple guys!
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
The students are NOT interested in e-learning, they are NOT 'organically choosing' to take these courses. They are usually forced to due to course offerings. If only 20 students sign up for a course, it will get cancelled. Spin it, @Sflecce!
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
Just re-listened to this. Is he saying high school education standards should be lower (not keeping up with previous status quo he says). Is there an agenda to reduce prerequisites - get students into trade schools in grade 10/11 and remove grade 12 as a standard?
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
#StephenLecce is a private school brat with no children and no experience as an educator. Furthermore, he provides no hard evidence to back up his claims or ideas. WHY IS STEPHEN LECCE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION??!!!!?!!! #CutsHurtKids #NoCutsToEducation
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
A report in the Chronicle for Higher Education found that e-learning institutions report dropout rates from 20 to 50 per cent for distance learners & administrators of online courses quote dropout rates that are often 10 to 20 % higher, than for students who learn in class.
 
In reply to @tylerwhat16
This man has NO IDEA what happens in a public school. NONE. Who does he think taught everyone else how to use technology when E-learning wasn't mandatory this whole time and isn't actually mandatory anywhere else? HOW CAN THEY NOT SEE HOW STUPID THIS IS?
 
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